Saturday, 10 October 2009

Jersey Justice.



So everybody can breathe a sigh of relief because what started out as £300,00 worth of Wacky Backy that mysteriously ended up as being £1m worth has been prevented from hitting our streets, or has it? And just as importantly HOW might it have been prevented?

Once more our media, police force, judicial system and Law Offices have left us (well “The Voice” anyway) with more questions than answers and yet again left us with the feeling we have an out of control Police Force and law officers who are all seemingly above the law.

Make no mistake we deplore drugs and even more so drug dealers, but just too many things don’t add up with the case against Curtis Warren and his convicted co-conspirators.

First of all, what would a man worth a reported £125m be doing involving himself with 5 people in Jersey, who it appears haven’t got a penny to scratch their arses with, and a boat that is not sea-worthy, all in order to bring in A MILLION pounds worth of drugs? Surely it’s a non-starter from the get-go?

Secondly, how did it start off at £300,000 worth of drugs and finish up at a million? How does a man worth £125m get legal aid? How come Advocate Baker was appointed as his Legal Aid Lawyer? Why didn’t the Police wait for the drugs (if they existed) to hit these shores and then catch the gang red-handed?

Why wasn’t the alleged dealer from Amsterdam in the dock? Was he part of a sting?

How can illegally obtained evidence be allowed in court? How can Advocate Baker , whilst defending this alleged drug gang, completely trash our Police Force and their illegal methods of obtaining evidence in this court room and then walk into another courtroom to prosecute Senator Syvret and tell the court how great the Police are?

Judge Tucker said in court that the way some of the evidence was gathered by our Police was “reprehensible UNLAWFUL and regrettable”- so why did he allow it into court?

One of the more worrying statements made by David Warcup (Acting Police Chief) was reported as “officers were doing what they needed to collate the best possible evidence” This is so alarming because it appears his officers broke the bl--dy law! They lied to and deceived 3 different National Police Forces in Europe. So, shall we all throw the rule book out of the window and break any laws we feel necessary because it’s ok for our Police to do it?

Why aren’t the Police, Attorney General and other Law Officers so vigorous - in pursuing child abusers employed by the State of Jersey, extraditing alleged child abusers from France or arresting Civil Servants who have been reported as being questioned for violently physically abusing children in their “care” - as they were in persuing these wrongdoers?

Advocate Baker said to the appeal court judges before this trial reached the Royal Court. “Your duty is to send out a message that this jurisdiction is governed by the rule of law. It is not a tin-pot jurisdiction where Police and law act how they will”. The court of appeal judges rejected the appeal and none of this could be reported at the time.

There is little doubt we have an out-of-control Police Force who can not only turn over a senior politician’s place of residence on an alleged “fishing trip” and seize (among many other things) computers owned by the children of his partner, but they can do all this without a warrant. They, can so it seems lie, cheat and break the law in order to get a chosen outcome when it suits but they are answerable to no-one.

Are you sure this cannot or will not happen to you? If we are governed by the RULE OF LAW who will ensure that your rights will be protected. Do you trust the Police and Judicial system of Jersey?

Team Voice contacted Advocate Baker’s office to seek an interview or at the least an answer to some of our questions off camera. We were refused but given a statement that “Mr. Warren will be appealing his conviction”.

To which we say “NO SH1T SHERLOCK”

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well stated that man.. Spot on 10 out of 10 for a fact is a fact is a fact.

Keep up the brilliant work.

David Rotherham said...

Nevertheless, there was convincing evidence that Warren was intending to celebrate his comeback with an expansion of his crime empire into Jersey. I accept that two wrongs don't make a right, and the police found it out through illegal invasions of his privacy, but find it out they did. Warren was judged on what he was doing, not on what the police were doing. Of course, there is now a case to answer against the SoJ police for their own lesser offences, substantially mitigated.

GeeGee said...

An excellent post VFC which echoes my sentiments on this affair 100%.
I have probably more reason than most to detest drugs dealers, but, this is not as black and white as that and I also have very, very grave misgivings on the police's operations and belief they were above the law in this matter.
They did indeed commit UNLAWFUL acts, which means they broke the law - simple as - and must be brought to account for this rather than giving themselves a massive pat on the back.
If there are no consequences to this, I believe we should all be very concerned.

Anonymous said...

They couldn't catch them red handed with the gear because it went wrong and they couldn't buy it

voiceforchildren said...

From: Joseph Shields

Date: 10 October 2009 16:20:55 GMT+01:00

To: editorial@jerseyeveningpost.com

Subject: police complaint



DEAR ISLANDERS...I VISITED YOUR ISLAND ON THE 5TH OF OCT 09 TO VISIT MY FAMILY, AND HAVE A SHORT BREAK..I FOUND MYSELF WITH SOME TIME ON MY HANDS AND DECIDED TO VISIT YOUR ROYAL COURT IN ST HELIER... AS I WENT TO ENTER I WAS ACCOSTED BY A SERGEANT "++++++" POLICE NUMBER +++... HE ASKED TO BODYSEARCH ME WHICH I AGREED..THEN HE TOOK OUT A NOTEBOOK & ASKED MY NAME, ADDRESS, AND PURPOSE OF MY VISIT WHICH I SUPPLIED..THEN WHERE IS YOUR ADDRESS ON THE ISLAND. WHICH I WASN'T SURE OF, AS I WAS STAYING WITH A FRIEND OF A FRIEND & ONLY KNEW HER 1ST NAME HE THEN GOT VERY SUSPICIOUS AND CONTACTED (I PRESUME) POLICE RECORDS, I THEN ASKED HIM WOULD HE COME WITH ME OUTSIDE (AWAY FROM THE MACHINE GUNS THAT WERE 1METRE AWAY FROM ME)TO GET MY ISLAND ADDRESS FROM MY GIRLFRIEND, WHEN ONE OF THE GUN TOTE'N POLICE OFFICERS ORDERED ME "NOT TO SPEAK TO THE SERGEANT", BUT TO ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS ..."+++++" CONTINUED TO INTERRORGATE ME ABOUT ME HAVING LINKS WITH THE DEFENDANTS ON TRIAL...I TOLD HIM I NEED TO SPEAK TO A SOLICITOR TO FIND OUT MY RIGHTS AS YOUR LAWS ARE DIFFERENT TO OURS... I THEN TRIED TO LEAVE TO SEEK HELP...I WAS THEN APPREHENDED BY SERGEANT "++++++" AND FURTHER INTERRORGATED IN THE PRESENCE OF LOADED MACHINE GUNS WHICH WAS A VERY FRIGHTENING & PRECARIOUS SITUATION I CHANCED TO FIND MYSELF IN,JUST FOR INNOCENTLY WALKING INTO A PUBLIC BUILDING...I LEFT JERSEY THE NEXT DAY WITH SIGH OF RELIEF, LIKE I WAS OUT OF DANGER, AND HAVE NO EXPECTATIONS OF OF COMING TO YOUR ISLAND AGAIN WITH YOUR OPPRESSIVE LAW FORCE AND FEUDAL GOVERNMENT...I WILL BE PUTTING THIS LETTER ON SOME INTERNET BLOGSPOTS, AND SENDING IT TO VARIOUS NEWSPAPERS JUST TO WARN PEOPLE OF THE TREATMENT A STRANGER CAN RECIEVE ON YOUR ISLAND...YOURS AFFECTED..JOSEPH SHIELDS, 50 GOSFORD STREET LIVERPOOL MERSEYSIDE.... PLEASE COULD YOU FORWARD THIS TO VOICEFORPROTEST OR VOICEFORJERSEY.BLOGSPOT.COM YOURS THANKFULLY JS.

Anonymous said...

Wow, quite a one sided report this one – A few things:

1. Both the original figure of £300,000 and the subsequent £1,000,000 were estimates based on the amount of drugs that were going to be shipped – something of course that is hard to determine because the deal was stopped before being performed. £300,000 was based on what was originally released as the amount involved (60kg) and £1,000,000 was based on the subsequent amount released after trial (£180kg).
2. Why would someone like Warren be interested in doing it? Well for starters you aren’t talking about £1m and that’s it. You’re talking about setting up the start of a supply chain which will mean similar sized shipments every few months. Few million a year, nice steady income stream and you know what they say, a million here, a million there, soon your talking real money. You’re also talking about someone who has only recently been released from prison who has been under long term investigation by the UK SOCA – chances are he would not have ready access to any previous sources of fund as during his incarceration these would likely have been shut down, or at the very least under investigation.
3. Why wasn’t the alleged dealer from Amsterdam in the dock – No idea, but unless he set foot in Jersey (which he didn’t) he would have to be extradited from Holland which is a very long winded and complex process, which may well fail unless their government was happy with the evidence - which as you say would be questionable under THEIR law because of the way some of it was obtained.
4. The unlawful evidence - It is important to note that the Police at no time broke Jersey law – Which is why the evidence was allowed at trial. There is no previous precedence set in Jersey concerning evidence gathered overseas and therefore it was up to the court and subsequently the court of appeal to decide if the evidence could be accepted. Their decision was that the evidence could be admitted because regardless of its source it was still of probative value to the trial and the Jury could be relied upon to determine the value of this evidence based on it’s source and the methods by which it was obtained. All of this was sorted out in the pre trial hearings and is why
a. The evidence was presented to the Jury
b. The source and the issues in respect of how it was obtained also disclosed in the interests of fairness to the defence
Being presented with both sides the jury then made their decision.

Anonymous said...

Whats the betting the RAG will not publish Joseph Shield's letter?

I'll donate a tenner to charity if they do.

voiceforchildren said...

Re; "Wow, quite a one sided report this one – A few things":

You are correct it is/was a "one sided report" It is no secret I believe we have a corrupt government, Civil Service and Judicial System.

I thank you for your contribution and adding a little "balance" to the posting. I make postings on the way I see things and am well aware there are other sides or arguments.Rational and reasoned argument is welcomed and I thank you for it.